8/03/2006

God of the Feminine - Reflections on Genesis 1:26-27

As I have been studying the numerous connections between the structures and themes within the Hebrew Scriptures and other ancient Near Eastern literature, I have been particularly drawn towards the correlations between the respective creation stories. Although the Genesis text is by far the most popular creation text, there are numerous others that share very similar features that presumably influenced the final form of the Genesis text. One interesting feature of the creation-epic literature of the ancient Near East is the dual role of masculine and feminine divine figures in the act of creation. In numerous stories, gendered gods and goddesses are utilized to describe the unique way in which the creation came to be.

As I have been reflecting upon the significance of the identification of the masculine and feminine in the ANE creation stories, an interesting thought occurred to me: perhaps this male/female connection exists within the biblical text as well. The primary candidate for such a consideration, I believe, is Genesis 1:26-27:

“Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground." So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.”

The most immediately apparent feature of the Genesis narrative is that God is pictured—in opposition to many other ANE creation accounts—as a solitary creator. However, when one gets to verse 26, the solitariness is suddenly fractured as God uses the self-referential “Us.”

Growing up, I was taught the “classic” interpretative approaches to explain this “plurality” in the identity of God. They are as follows:

1.) This is a sort of Old Testament Trinitarian revelation: While a popular notion amongst Christians, such an interpretation would seem to make little sense to the Hebrews who were attempting—through the very nature of this creation account—to counter the polytheistic creation epics of the surrounding nations.

2.) The use of the plural is a form of “royal” address; i.e., kings often refer to themselves in the plural in official pronouncements, correspondence, laws, etc.: A better option than 1.), it is odd that this is the singular occurrence of such self-reference.

3.) The use of the plural “us” is God speaking to the angelic host: Probably better than 1.) and 2.), this theory seems to cohere somewhat with the testimony in Psalms that humanity has been made “a little lower” than the angels. However, as with 1.), there does seem to be a distinct danger of presenting a polytheistic conception of the manner of creation, as if the angels are somehow co-creators with the one God.

While I do not presume to be able to rebut any one of the three options presented above, I would like to suggest a fourth alternative, which follows below.

As noted in the opening paragraph, many of ANE creation epics utilized both male and female divine beings in the acts of creation. Rather than simply reflecting the make-up of the various pantheons of ancient thought, the inclusion of both the male and female deities had a very intense theological purpose. After all, by describing the creation of all from the creative works of the masculine and feminine, the ancients had a coherent and comprehensive means of describing both the differences and value of both the masculine and the feminine in relation to human personhood. In short, these stories were not simply fantastic mythology that meant to entertain; rather, the stories reflected the people’s thinking about the very depths of personhood, and what it means to be gendered. While some may scoff at the way in which the ancients provided answers to these very existential questions, it is obvious that these stories communicated a very real and meaningful set of ideas about the nature, value and function of human gender and sexuality.

If we keep these considerations in mind, we must conclude that these same needs to communicate belief and instruction about the origin, nature and function of human sexuality and gender were prescient for the writers of the biblical creation stories.

It is upon this basis that I would suggest an alternative interpretation of Genesis 1:26. Could it be that the “us” of verse 26 does not refer to the Triune nature of God, a royal proclamation, or a conversation with the angelic host? Could it be that the divine “us” of 26 is a metaphorical recasting of the divine person as masculine and feminine? While this conclusion might seem somewhat odd at first glance, verse 27 brings it into focus. This verse affirms that both “male and female” are created in the divine image. If this is indeed true, could not the “us” of 26 refer to the metaphorical masculinity and femininity of the divine in whose image the human couple is created?

In response, one might argue that such a separation is susceptible to the same charges of polytheism to which option 1.) appears to be prone. I do not think this is necessary, however, for the narratival positing of masculinity and femininity in the nature of God need not be substantival for the writers of the Hebrew narrative. Rather, even as the male and female humans are ultimately created to become “one flesh” (2:24), so also are the masculine and feminine in the divine the “one God.” And even as the two-ness of human creation is reflective of the one divine nature, so the one divine Creator’s image is self-referential for the two-made-one-ness of the male and the female creation.

If this interpretation is reasonably close to the author’s intention, I think it is a stroke of genius on the writer’s behalf. After all, in maintaining the solitariness of Yahweh as Creator, the writer has completely overturned the polytheism of similar creation epics, infusing the Hebrew narrative with a radical and audacious claim about the particularity of the identity of true God over and against the pantheons of the gods and goddesses of the surrounding nations. Moreover, the writer has managed to retain the crucially important existential issues about the origin, nature and function of human sexuality and gender. Yet he has done so without resorting to compartmentalizing gender within the identity of particular deific figures; rather, in a brilliant literary stroke, the author has revealed that Yahweh, the true God who is one, encapsulates human gender in such a way that particularity can exist while concomitantly affirming the identically primal source of gender and existence in the life of Yahweh. In this way, the writer affirms that not only does Yahweh encapsulate human sexuality and gender, but moreover Yahweh transcends the limitations of both, for Yahweh cannot be reduced to or identified with one or the other. Rather, Yahweh is the source of both; the divine image, free and unbounded, in reflected in the diversity of both the masculine and the feminine.

31 comments:

Mofast said...

the writer affirms that not only does Yahweh encapsulate human sexuality and gender, but moreover Yahweh transcends the limitations of both, for Yahweh cannot be reduced to or identified with one or the other. Rather, Yahweh is the source of both; the divine image, free and unbounded, in reflected in the diversity of both the masculine and the feminine.
I was curious where you were going to end up in all of this, and I find it interesting that you close with this very orthodox statement about the nature of God. Maybe you aren't a witch after all.

A couple of thoughts about this piece, which I found challenging and enjoyable. First, I don't think you should dismiss the Trinitarian ramifications of "us" so quickly. It seems to me that you knocked out a bit of a straw man. However, with your description of God encompassing both male and female, being both, yet one (being community?) and so on, it seems to be closer to a Trinitarian dance of divine agape (not sex) and the mystery of the three in one. I don't mean to say that we can understand "Trinity" from "us", however, the implications upon Trinitarian theology as it has been formed from the life of Christ (a proper Christian hermeneutic) are present and I don't believe them to be that much of a stretch. Furthermore, it can go alongside the other observations you made.
Second, it also seems to me that the creation story is more than an undermining of polytheism, but also it gives an important insight into a crucial Judeo-Christian belief: the Creator/creation distinction. When the "Sky god" penetrates the "earth mother" and she births the world or life or whatever, then creation is actually a part of her or her and him. I believe in the Enuma Elish the world is actually the carcass of Tiamat or some such thing. In Genesis God speaks and it is. In Genesis we are left with the paradox of us being "In the image of God" and "From the dust of the earth" - which happens to be one of my favorite theological thoughts and lens with which to view the human condition.

Finally, in regards to gender, as I was reading your thoughts I kept thinking that we haven't really ever lived out the distinction and honor of both genders. Your entry would certainly challenge a more patriarchal Christian reading of scriptures, but also I don't believe that the pagans really treated women all that great either. It seems that the curse in Genesis 3 has an incredible amount of insight.

Nice post.

Exist-Dissolve said...

mofast --

I was curious where you were going to end up in all of this, and I find it interesting that you close with this very orthodox statement about the nature of God. Maybe you aren't a witch after all.

I am glad that the feeling of suspense was conveyed properly. As I was writing it, I was a bit concerned that many would quit halfway through and burn me at the stake in effigy. Phew!

A couple of thoughts about this piece, which I found challenging and enjoyable. First, I don't think you should dismiss the Trinitarian ramifications of "us" so quickly. It seems to me that you knocked out a bit of a straw man. However, with your description of God encompassing both male and female, being both, yet one (being community?) and so on, it seems to be closer to a Trinitarian dance of divine agape (not sex) and the mystery of the three in one. I don't mean to say that we can understand "Trinity" from "us", however, the implications upon Trinitarian theology as it has been formed from the life of Christ (a proper Christian hermeneutic) are present and I don't believe them to be that much of a stretch. Furthermore, it can go alongside the other observations you made.

This is good stuff!


Second, it also seems to me that the creation story is more than an undermining of polytheism, but also it gives an important insight into a crucial Judeo-Christian belief: the Creator/creation distinction. When the "Sky god" penetrates the "earth mother" and she births the world or life or whatever, then creation is actually a part of her or her and him. I believe in the Enuma Elish the world is actually the carcass of Tiamat or some such thing. In Genesis God speaks and it is. In Genesis we are left with the paradox of us being "In the image of God" and "From the dust of the earth" - which happens to be one of my favorite theological thoughts and lens with which to view the human condition.

Another great point, and you are absolutely right. This would certainly have been a radical and scandalous reinterpretation of ancient cosmology.

Finally, in regards to gender, as I was reading your thoughts I kept thinking that we haven't really ever lived out the distinction and honor of both genders. Your entry would certainly challenge a more patriarchal Christian reading of scriptures, but also I don't believe that the pagans really treated women all that great either. It seems that the curse in Genesis 3 has an incredible amount of insight.

Trifecta, my friend.

Anonymous said...

ED~thanks for the insight. I may only rarely comment, but I am quite often reading (and enjoying).
Cheers!

Exist-Dissolve said...

daniel--

Thanks for stopping by! I welcome your comments anytime.

thegreatswalmi said...

just found my way over...good stuff ED. i found this from your writings on fide-o...man, why do you bother? i surfed there because of a sermon i heard and i just couldn't take it very long...wow...you've got persistence :)

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Exist-Dissolve said...

theoblogian--

Thank you for the kind words. I hope to see you around here often.

As far as the fide-o site is concerned, the answer is a complex one, qualified by numerous layers composed of an eclectic mix of reasons:

1.) I am a glutton for abuse.

2.) My assertiveness in the blogosphere makes up for my real lack of backbone and utter dread of personal confrontation.

3.) Jason E. Alexander is the devil (just kidding).

4.) I have an eight-hour day behind a computer at an office where I only have about 2 1/2 hours of work to actuall do in a given day. A lot of time to accomplish 1.) and 2.)

Stop by again some time!

Exist-Dissolve said...

Sorry, Jason E. Alexander should be "Jason E. Robertson" (or something like that). George Constanza is a god whose never I would never wish to defile.

thegreatswalmi said...

HA Jason Alexander...got a kick out of that one, though his character is nothing compared to his father...jerry stiller is and will always be king of the angry yelling old men! if i can overcome my cowardice over there, i may stick up for you every once in awhile :)

Mofast said...

Exist,
I just stopped by the fideo site and checked that out. Wow.
So, are you saved? I need to know before I submit myself to this blog anymore. Amazing. I also notice that you are a "liberal" theologian. Boooo hissss.
And then I noticed the kicker, they accused you of being United Methodist. LOL! You sinner.

thegreatswalmi said...

oh yeah...can you imagine being a heathen egalitarian liberal united methodist arminian? makes my skin crawl :)

Austin said...

Exist,

Considering that it is univerally understood that "gender" is culturally defined ("sex" is biological), how ought we to see this truth in light of what you are suggesting.

Also, have you heard of the Hebwew "plural of intensification"? Certain theologians believe that the use of the plural "us" and "our" are designations that describe the utter transendence and manifold beauty of God. There is no doubt in my mind that the author of Genesis was not trying to imply that God was a trinity. Although this doesn't mean that it might not be so, as God may have inspired the writer to use certain words for specific purposes, without having the writer understand the full meaning of what was written. But I think it seems more probable that the writer used the plural to describe the absolute comprehensiveness of YHWH.

Lastly, it's interesting to note that the plural form of "Elohim" is always used, when refering to YHWH, with singular verbs. This makes me think that the modern understanding of the Hebrew evolution of theism (from poly to mono) is false.

This last point is a bit off topic. But it sort of ties in...

thegreatswalmi said...

i wonder if using the masculine singular verb means anything for the conversation? While i fully agree that God is not male, and that YHWH fully characterizes the best in male and female, i wonder if the grammatical analysis "male and female HE created" wouldn't render your argument, if not moot, at least needing some refinement? any thoughts?

Anonymous said...

Fide-o is a great site to debate with people whose arguments generally fall along the lines of: 1. personal attacks
2. guilt by association 3. absolutistic statements as to what the bible actually says while denying any deviant perspectives that do not toe the Reformed party line of the five solas. 4. Creating non-relevant shibboleths to discredit the opponent

All in all, a great place to visit. I enjoy it. I wish I had more time, but my job often does not allow it. Some of us sit in front of a computer for 12 hours a day, waiting for Final Cut to finish rendering. Oh how I wish i had a render couch...

egyptianvoltaire said...

Untill now,humans of mind still mix between myth and theology.Yahoo in the myth is a damn fool picture of gods and godesses of ancient world ,in particulr Egyptian and babylonian with them Jews were in close relations.After sophisticated analysis of Greek ,specially Plato,God transforms into holy trinity of christianity which resembles closely Isis and Osiris myth,of course after propriate modification.but under stupid inhabitants of arabian penninsule ,God regains its original jewish structure.What is important in all these transformation is a proof of human stupidity !

Exist-Dissolve said...

theoblogian--

HA Jason Alexander...got a kick out of that one, though his character is nothing compared to his father...jerry stiller is and will always be king of the angry yelling old men!

Yes, and the best thing about JS is that no matter what he does, he brings in the old, angy man--King of Queens is like the Protestant version of Seinfeld--great stuff.

if i can overcome my cowardice over there, i may stick up for you every once in awhile :)

Sweet.

Exist-Dissolve said...

mofast--

just stopped by the fideo site and checked that out. Wow.

Indeed.

So, are you saved?

Huh. I get that a lot, suprisingly enough (or not surprisingly)...

I need to know before I submit myself to this blog anymore. Amazing. I also notice that you are a "liberal" theologian. Boooo hissss.
And then I noticed the kicker, they accused you of being United Methodist. LOL! You sinner.


According to fide-o, it is impossible for one to exist, theologically, apart from a label. Therefore, I just roll with whatever they choose to call me, as the post dictates.

Exist-Dissolve said...

austin--

Considering that it is univerally understood that "gender" is culturally defined ("sex" is biological), how ought we to see this truth in light of what you are suggesting.

Could you more fully explain your question?

Also, have you heard of the Hebwew "plural of intensification"? Certain theologians believe that the use of the plural "us" and "our" are designations that describe the utter transendence and manifold beauty of God.

Yes, I have heard of that. Although by no means identical in function or form, it seems to me that this approach is similar to the royal designation that I listed above. Obviously, there are important differences. I guess I would not see this as applicable in this situation, given that it is an incidental occurrence in a very specific context (the creation of male and female in the image of the divine). If one were to take the "plural of intesification" route, I guess I would question why this form of pronoun is not used more extensively in the creation accounts. It would seem, therefore, that the context in which it occurs (the only time it occurs in this entire text, after all) should give us a clue as to the meaning. I am not saying my suggestion is the only potential one, but I do think it would account for the incidental nature of the plural pronoun.

There is no doubt in my mind that the author of Genesis was not trying to imply that God was a trinity. Although this doesn't mean that it might not be so, as God may have inspired the writer to use certain words for specific purposes, without having the writer understand the full meaning of what was written. But I think it seems more probable that the writer used the plural to describe the absolute comprehensiveness of YHWH.

I would agree that the intention of the writer was not for expression of a Trinitarin conception of God. I think I would also agree that the writer used the plural to describe the comprehensiveness of Yahweh, but that this comprehensiveness was specifically in reference to the dual nature of human creation. In this way, I think it is possible that the author was applying this pluralized pronoun to God to show not that God is more than "one," but rather that God is properly the Creator and source of the "image" of humanity, both male and female.

Exist-Dissolve said...

theoblogian--

i wonder if using the masculine singular verb means anything for the conversation? While i fully agree that God is not male, and that YHWH fully characterizes the best in male and female, i wonder if the grammatical analysis "male and female HE created" wouldn't render your argument, if not moot, at least needing some refinement? any thoughts?

Yes, I thought about that, and I think it comes down to the problem of human language and the fact that it is ultimately anthropologically focused. For example, while it is technically accurate to use inclusive language about God (i.e., for example, I use "Godself," instead of "himself" when using reflexive pronouns about God), it does make for awkward communication, especially in the narratival form. Perhaps the "He created" is simply an instance of using a generic pronoun (which would be the masculine in Hebrew...I think) and the pluralized prounoun in the context of male and female humanity is meant to be the interpretive force of the passage.

Of course, I know nothing of Hebrew, so I may be blowing smoke and there is a pretty good chance that you are right and I am wrong.

Thanks for the thoughts!

thegreatswalmi said...

wow, i don't hear that very often, about being right! i would tend to agree that it's likely the limit of human communication that stunts understanding...i try to use God and Godself in place of he, but it does get awkward sometimes. Even worse, i wrote a paper on the HS and used "it" while trying to maintain hypostatic reality...it was tricky, and some people didn't like it. oh well :)

thegreatswalmi said...

and hey, what's the deal with "Strangely warmed"...nothing posted since june? that stuff is GOLD

Anonymous said...

theoblogian-


i try to use God and Godself in place of he, but it does get awkward sometimes. Even worse, i wrote a paper on the HS and used "it" while trying to maintain hypostatic reality...it was tricky, and some people didn't like it. oh well :)

I can help you out here... Some friends and I created a new pronoun specifically to address gender issues in language. It is an inclusive, personal, neuter third person pronoun, and the actual word is "hysht". We even came up with a declension pattern:

Nominative: hysht

Genitive: hysh'

Dative: hyshte

Accusative: hyshta

Plural: hyshtes ('hish tees')

Self: hyshtelf

I hope it helps.


and hey, what's the deal with "Strangely warmed"...nothing posted since june? that stuff is GOLD

I am the co-author of sw, and I apologize. the last months have been crazy. E-D just bought a house, and I just started a new job that sucks up whatever time I am not sleeping. I certainly hope to post in the near future, however.

Exist-Dissolve said...

theoblogian--

wow, i don't hear that very often, about being right! i would tend to agree that it's likely the limit of human communication that stunts understanding...i try to use God and Godself in place of he, but it does get awkward sometimes. Even worse, i wrote a paper on the HS and used "it" while trying to maintain hypostatic reality...it was tricky, and some people didn't like it. oh well :)

Yes, I have found that the "God, Godself" phraseology is only practical in written discourse. In spoken communication, it quickly makes people feel quite awkward, not to mention the fact that one's attention is continually distracted by the need to stay consistent, to the suffering of whatever point one may be attempting to make.

For the HS, I'd always go with "she."

Just to be provocative.

Exist-Dissolve said...

theoblogian--

and hey, what's the deal with "Strangely warmed"...nothing posted since june? that stuff is GOLD

Thank you for the kind compliments. Since DM has already attracted blame to his person, I will piggyback upon that and point the collective Strangely Warmed finger at him.

Anonymous said...

I'd point the finger at E-D, but only because he's sexier

thegreatswalmi said...

i like the provocation, but some people can only take so much (re: she and the holy spirit). as far as hysht goes...man, that's cool, but i think for consistency's sake, we should say hyshtself. tougher to say, but more etymologically sound :) i didn't mean to start a blame (flame?) war here about SW...i'm just pointing two fingers!! :) take care fellas.

Austin said...

Exist,

Very interesting points...

As far as my statement that "gender" is socially constructed: what I mean is that according to social scientists of all types (historians, sociologists, anthropologists, etc.), the concept of gender, much like race, is a cultural construct. They have assigned the titles of "man" and "woman" when speaking about gender. The terms male and female are used when speaking about "sex."

Sex is biological. It's an ascribed status. It can't ever change. Whereas gender is cultural, societal, individualistic (maybe preferential?) - an achieved status. It can change.

For instance, as you are well aware, there are individuals who are transgender. A person may have been born a man, but he decides to undergo a change of gender and become a woman. However, even if he were to have all the "sex-change" operations that are possible he couldn't change his sex. And although we could now call this person "she" and say that "she is a woman," the fact remains that this person is still a male, biologically (chromosomes, internal organs, etc).

[I'm sure these are all things of which you are aware. So I appologize if I am being a bit slow in developing my question.]

It seems to me that to ascribe any characteristic of gender or sex to God is fallacious. After all, we create the idea of gender, culturally, to which God is not bound. And Sex is biological; and a body is something that God doesn't possess.

Perhaps the imago dei, in a male or female, has nothing to do with sex or gender whatsoever. Perhaps the fact that God created them male and female, even though they both bear the same image of God, is suggesting that the imago dei is not a part of the division of the sexes. Perhaps the fact that there is a division of the sexes points to something other than simply the imago dei...?

It seems possible that when God says that He will create them in His image and then the Scripture says that He created them male and female, this shows an equality with regard to humans who are in His image, not a dualism in the divine image of God.

Am I making any sense? I think I am rambling and using too many words. If I'm not being clear let me know.

Exist-Dissolve said...

Austin--

As far as my statement that "gender" is socially constructed: what I mean is that according to social scientists of all types (historians, sociologists, anthropologists, etc.), the concept of gender, much like race, is a cultural construct. They have assigned the titles of "man" and "woman" when speaking about gender. The terms male and female are used when speaking about "sex."

Sex is biological. It's an ascribed status. It can't ever change. Whereas gender is cultural, societal, individualistic (maybe preferential?) - an achieved status. It can change.

For instance, as you are well aware, there are individuals who are transgender. A person may have been born a man, but he decides to undergo a change of gender and become a woman. However, even if he were to have all the "sex-change" operations that are possible he couldn't change his sex. And although we could now call this person "she" and say that "she is a woman," the fact remains that this person is still a male, biologically (chromosomes, internal organs, etc).

[I'm sure these are all things of which you are aware. So I apologize if I am being a bit slow in developing my question.]


No, I think you have made some good points.

It seems to me that to ascribe any characteristic of gender or sex to God is fallacious. After all, we create the idea of gender, culturally, to which God is not bound. And Sex is biological; and a body is something that God doesn't possess.

Perhaps the imago dei, in a male or female, has nothing to do with sex or gender whatsoever. Perhaps the fact that God created them male and female, even though they both bear the same image of God, is suggesting that the imago dei is not a part of the division of the sexes. Perhaps the fact that there is a division of the sexes points to something other than simply the imago dei...?

It seems possible that when God says that He will create them in His image and then the Scripture says that He created them male and female, this shows an equality with regard to humans who are in His image, not a dualism in the divine image of God.

Am I making any sense? I think I am rambling and using too many words. If I'm not being clear let me know.


I think you make an interesting point, and I would certainly use caution in how we talk about the precise relationship of human gender and sexuality to the eternal nature of God. This is why I use the language of God “encapsulating” human gender and sexuality. In this sense, these attributes are not somehow “alien” to God, yet at the same time the eternal nature cannot be reduced to parallels with human gender (as they religions surrounding Israel did). I think this is where the genius of this Genesis text lies, for the author reveals that humans, as created in the imago dei, are not entirely alien to their Creator. Rather than an immense distance between the gods and their creations (which the other creation stories of the day proposed), the Hebrew writers showed that humans are ultimately relatable to the divine, for the divine encapsulates all that humanity images in their created nature. The profundity of the writers’ thought is ultimately revealed in the New Testament affirmation of the Immanuel, the one who is God who is with humanity. In the Incarnation, God reveals that rather than alien, foreign and disconnected, humanity is so “imago dei-ed” that it is fitting that the human reveals the divine.

Back to your point, I would agree with the suggestion about the issue of revealing equality. Also I would agree that there is not a “dualism” in God’s nature between the masculine and feminine. However, I think that the imago dei has something to do with sexuality and gender. I guess what I am getting at is that there is a “reflective dualism” in God’s nature in reference to human gender and sexuality, in the sense that when speaking of the imago dei, both the male and female can find fulness and completion in the eternal nature of God in whose image they are both created and which they both, individually and together, reflect.

Austin said...

Exist,

Hmmm...

Very interesting. Thanks for giving me somthing on which I can "chew" for a while.

Jerry Grace said...

Exist,

You said

"I guess what I am getting at is that there is a “reflective dualism” in God’s nature in reference to human gender and sexuality, in the sense that when speaking of the imago dei, both the male and female can find fulness and completion in the eternal nature of God in whose image they are both created and which they both, individually and together, reflect."

The words "fullness and complete" are the defining terms. In my own denomination (sbc)I think the "complimentarian" view of women was chosen not as the source of authority for that viewpoint but because that viewpoint supported a preconceived notion that men must dominate women. That's sort of like our alcohol debate where we decided to become abstainers before we instructed our theologians to find scriptural basis for it.

Women are the backbone of our churches. I grew up in one free of such discussion modeling the very point you are trying to make. Most of us are happiest when we are functioning as we were made to function. And we are the loudest and most obnoxious when we are not. My Mother could never be a feminist because that would require her to climb down from the pedastal where her husband and children have placed her. My Father took quite seriously the command that "husbands should love their wives as Christ loved the church." There is no greater standard than that, nor any greater freedom in concept, nor any better regulator to our cumulative views on women versus men.

Thanks for causing me to think.

Jerry

Exist-Dissolve said...

Jerry--

Thank you for the great comments. It's interesting, in the denomination to which I belong (Wesleyan), we are very proud of our history of progressive take on gender and church (the Wesleyan Methodoist Church, from which the Wesleyans came, was one of the first, if not THE first, to ordain a woman for ministry). However, as often happens, the practice is very different than the principle, as there still seems to be some underlying prejudices against the participation of females in the leadership and instruction of the people of God (even though, by far, the majority of non-pastoral leadership in our church is probably female). It saddens me, for I have several female friends who are passionate about serving and infinitely more gifted in their pastoral abilities than alot of the guys with whom they graduated, yet all the jobs go to these guys, simply because they are guys (although no one will admit that, of course).

There is no greater standard than that, nor any greater freedom in concept, nor any better regulator to our cumulative views on women versus men.

You have certainly identified the crux of the issue of gender relations. Any notion of "authority" and "submission" must be qualified by the standard of love. And if we take the example of Christ to be our ultimate standard, the ultimate "authority" which he exhibited was paradoxically demarcated by a complete self-giving and submission to the other. In this way, "power" controlled by love is not an over-power that dominates and demands, but is rather a complete self-giving that sacrifices and abandons to the other. If our relationships were controlled by this paradigm, the issue of "authority" between genders would be a non-issue.